Bug #2845

Wheeled APC commander maneuvering/steering through terrain difficult to impossible

Added by Fireball over 5 years ago. Updated over 3 years ago.

Status:Assigned Start date:07/15/2009
Priority:High Due date:11/01/2011
Assignee:Dwarden % Done:

0%

Category:AI Control
Target version:Upcoming version
Affected ArmA II version:1.60 BETA First affected build:
Reproduced by another DH user:No First affected ArmA II version:
I am using some Mods:No Single / Multi Player?:
I am using: BIForumURL:
Reproducible for you:Yes NGUrl:
Related to content of DLC: WIKIurl:

Description

Another thing I discovered during the test mission attached for the Konkurs missiles, is that if you manage to steer the BTR-90, with commander/gunner instructions (FORWARD/LEFT/RIGHT etc.) towards some trees, or even some circle of trees, then the AI driver doesn't really respond to your instructions anymore. He won't even reverse out when you tell him to.

Only way to get out there is then to point on the map where to drive or you take the drivers seat yourself to maneuver clear of trees.

BTR-90_Steering.Utes.sqm (1.4 kB) Fireball, 10/05/2009 23:59

2845.utes.7z (608 Bytes) kju, 08/01/2011 06:59


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History

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

I think this might have to do with wheeled (soft) vehicle AI maneuver logic is applied (because its obviously a wheeled tank). Nothing against that, basically, but then the maneuvering logic it must be improved. As workaround, the armored vehicle maneuver logic would do for this APC too.

Updated by zombiemod over 5 years ago

I already reported this issue, and indeed have recorded a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGCYRRWlKGM

Will dig out the error #

Edit: you must already have seen the vid if you are FireballYT? :)

Updated by zombiemod over 5 years ago

Hmm, I made a video but can't find the issue # - guess someone else must have.

Anyway, totally annoying but and I wish BIS would fix it!

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

Actually, your issue goes into the same direction, but it has a different aspect.

While the BTR-90 has a AI that respects a wheeled vehicle driving logic with the commander maneuvering orders, the Jeep in your video rather seems to use the armored vehicle driving logic instead, thus you do hit the tree but you don't want it to, while I whish in my case that I'd rather hit the tree (and kill it eventually).

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Due date set to 08/24/2009
  • Status changed from New to Assigned
  • Assignee set to Fireball

Needs verification for patch 1.03.

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Due date changed from 08/24/2009 to 09/07/2009
  • Assignee deleted (Fireball)
  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.02.58134 to 1.03.58627

Can verify this still. You command the driver towards some trees, and instead of finding a path through them (i.e. driving them over) it will just reverse and turn until he found a "safe" angle where no trees might be. It takes ages.

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Category changed from AI Issues to Config
  • Difficulty set to Not set

Probably a config issue, since the driver doesn't take into account that the vehicle is armored.

Updated by Dwarden over 5 years ago

  • Assignee set to Dwarden

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Due date changed from 09/07/2009 to 09/27/2009

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Due date changed from 09/27/2009 to 10/27/2009
  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.03.58627 to 1.04.59026
  • Reproduced by another DH user set to Yes

Updated by Dwarden over 5 years ago

  • Status changed from Assigned to Feedback
  • Priority changed from Normal to High
  • Target version set to 1.05 BETA

need repro with latest best

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • File deleted (BTR-90_Konkurs.utes.pbo)

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • File BTR-90_Steering.Utes.sqm added
  • Status changed from Feedback to Assigned
  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.04.59026 to 1.05 BETA
  • CPU set to Please specify!

Added new repro mission.

1. Start up the map
2. Try to steer it clear of the wood as commander using the WASD, Q and E orders.

Usually you'd consider just reversing straight out - but the AI driver seems wanting to turn the BTR. Fine why not, but then try to get it forward into the open field again. It seems like the AI driver gets endlessly confused and gets stuck between the trees hoplessly. Sometimes he enters some kind of "panic mode" and might drive over some trees and get free, but most of the time it will end up pondering on how to evade trees and where to reverse or forward.

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

Same applies to the LAV-25 btw. and possibly other wheeled armored vehicles.

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Due date changed from 10/27/2009 to 11/27/2009

Updated by kju over 5 years ago

  • Target version changed from 1.05 BETA to Upcoming version

Updated by ZiiiP over 5 years ago

Yeah, my LAV was just acting like a retard, couldnt go through a foresty area.

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Subject changed from BTR-90 commander maneuvering/steering through terrain difficult to impossible to Wheeled APC commander maneuvering/steering through terrain difficult to impossible

Updated by Fireball over 5 years ago

  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.05 BETA to 1.05.62017

Updated by kju over 4 years ago

  • Due date changed from 11/27/2009 to 09/01/2010
  • Status changed from Assigned to Feedback
  • Assignee changed from Dwarden to Fireball

Please retest with latest OA/CO.

Updated by Fireball over 4 years ago

  • Due date changed from 09/01/2010 to 11/01/2010
  • Status changed from Feedback to Assigned
  • Assignee changed from Fireball to Dwarden
  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.05.62017 to 1.53 BETA
  • Reproduced by another DH user changed from Yes to No
  • Reproducible for you changed from No to Yes

It's even worse now, I can't even repro my previous difficulties, because it will only go forward with any wheeled vehicle - REVERSE equals slow forward somehow.

But the prerequisites are definitely the same, so it's the same bug, basically.

Repro Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrhKOkq5jl0

Updated by Fireball over 4 years ago

  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.53 BETA to 1.57 BETA

Still an issue.

Updated by kju over 3 years ago

  • File 2845.utes.7z added
  • Due date changed from 11/01/2010 to 11/01/2011
  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.57 BETA to 1.60 BETA
  • CPU deleted (Please specify!)
  • Audio card deleted (Please specify!)
  • Size of OS swap file deleted (Please specify!)

Still true.

Updated by kju over 3 years ago

  • Category changed from Config to AI Control

Updated by Vipera over 3 years ago

Fix it, please!

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