Task #18772

Add F-15E or F-22 aircraft

Added by wore about 4 years ago. Updated over 1 year ago.

Status:New Start date:04/07/2011
Priority:Low Due date:
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Category:Model Request
Target version:Model requests
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Description

With ACEX we have 2 new Russian airplanes:Su-30 and Su-27.Those machines are heavy-class aircrafts with 12 points of weapon suspention,as Su-34.Against them US have only light F-35 and AV-8B aircrafts with 4-8 points.This situation is quite imbalance and doesn't corresponds to the realities of life.In real situation US will have fully air supremacy through f-15 or modern F-22 with AIM-120 AMRAAM missile.My suggestion is to add one of these aircrafts to ACEX mod

PrintScreen.png (123.2 kB) Heaney555, 10/28/2012 17:42


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related to A.C.E. for OA - Task #15704: Add Vehicle X Expired 12/08/2010

History

Updated by rocko about 4 years ago

  • Category set to Model

Who has the model?

Updated by sgtmoody1944 about 4 years ago

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13378

F-22A has been successfully brought into OA.

Updated by wore about 4 years ago

try to ask Scar and nes4day for F-22 model (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=114226) or Eble and Footmunch for F-15 (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=97730)
Note:real F-22 DOES NOT HAVE afterburner

Updated by sgtmoody1944 about 4 years ago

wore wrote:

try to ask Scar and nes4day for F-22 model (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=114226) or Eble and Footmunch for F-15 (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=97730)
Note:real F-22 DOES NOT HAVE afterburner

Scar has been dead activity-wise for, I think, more than a year...there's no real point in trying to contact him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22 also suggests the F-22 has afterburner in real life...

Updated by Militantsausage about 4 years ago

I personally don't see the point of adding this to ACE, most jets in the game are designed to fly slow and provide CAS, these two aircraft can fly fast enough to cover Takistan in less than 30 seconds, I just don't think there is a use for these that hasn't already been covered.

Updated by wore about 4 years ago

@Militantsausage,Su-30,Su-27 and Su-34 can fly fast enough to cover Taki in less than 30 seconds too.So they must be removed from game by you suggestion?Also Arma 2 CO is not about Takistan only,Taki is smaller then Chernarus

rocko,will you have any problems with AIM-120 missile?My suggestion that main loadout of ACE F-22 should be 6 AMRAAM and
2 Sidewinders,alternative-6 GBUs and 2 Sidewinders

P.S.:@sgtmoody1944,yes,really,afterburner on 5th generation stealth aircraft..I'm surprised

Updated by sgtmoody1944 about 4 years ago

nes4day's latest version, which was a combined op between him and [GLT]Myke, has three variants of the F-22:

1. Air Patrol: 2x AIM-9, 6x AIM-120
2. SDB: I think it has 6-9 (I don't remember exactly as I haven't played with that addon in a while) Small Diameter Bomb's
3. JDAM: I think 2x 2K-lb.

As far as I'm concerned, the only trouble with that model is that the afterburner has no sound, but other than that it's a really nice one and I personally wouldn't mind seeing A.C.E. integrate it.

Updated by wore about 4 years ago

We have afterburner sound in ACE already.About AIM-120 i mean mb ACE team will have a troubles with AMRAAM model.JDAM and GBU-39 aren't simulated in ACE((
Btw,nes4day's F-22 uses empty proxy weapons models,like BIS F-35,or smt else?

Updated by DarkWanderer about 4 years ago

Note that adding F-22, simulated properly, would shake the balance to the other side vigorously - since it's a Generation 5 fighter, which would be opposed by Gen 4 or even 3. Not that it really matters, since ACE is not a PvP mod, but still.
Supermaneuverability and thrust vectoring, OTOH, would be very hard to implement.

Updated by Xeno about 4 years ago

DarkWanderer wrote:

Not that it really matters, since ACE is not a PvP mod, but still.

Really ?
http://arma2.swec.se/game/data/3249098
114 players (they are playing every weekend, highest player number was ~140)
There are also other communities which use ACE to play PvP.

ACE can be used for all available game modes, it doesn't limit you to one.

Updated by DarkWanderer about 4 years ago

I meant that, as far as I understand the statements, ACE team does not focus on raw "game balance", but rather on realistic representation of operations - which doesn't prevent the mod from being used on PvP, of course.
Sorry if my wording offended anyone.

Updated by Lazyman about 4 years ago

Even with a good model, I don't see why we should add an F-22A. An F-15E of F-16C would be more appropriate, given that they are used a lot in a CAS role, while also being able to perform well as air superiority fighters.
The F-22A is a dedicated air superiority fighter with deep strike capabilities that was later modified to perform as a CAS plane. Given that it is mainly an air superiority fighter, it does have afterburners, although it is supercruise-capable, as in it can exceed Mach 1 while going at military power.

Updated by wore about 4 years ago

Lazyman,personally i have nothing against F-15.Just any US heavy fighter-bomber aircraft with AIM-120,AIM-9 and LGB against Su-30/34 (to make Warfare mission more balanced in my case)would be nice.

Updated by Sif about 4 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox9hopYAS4c

ABC did a report in F15s in Afghanistan, overall those rusty birds still see action due to their ability to bring in pain. I'd personally love to see the old warhorse get added to ACE. Looks much sexier then say a F16 or the F-35.

Updated by HavocDemon about 4 years ago

I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and F-15Es and F-16s do serve our men and women over seas. They provide the vast majority of CAS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIKYw7IqnG8&feature=related

That was a Jdam droped most likely by a F-16. Sure they are fast and would cross the map too quickly, but so does the harrier and F-35 so its not that big of a deal. Honestly, in Afghanistan I got more support from F-16s and F-15Es than I did from A-10s. Rarely did I get support from an Apache (I was Army, we almost never saw cobras help my unit). But F-15Es and F-16s provided us ample support (then agian, 1 bomb usually ended the fire fight pretty quickly, so ample support lasted 30 seconds but that was all we needed).

So I agree with this post, an F-15 and F-16 would be great additions to this game.

EDIT: Also on that note, I agree no to the F-22. It is primarily a CAP, air superiority craft, and has little place in this game. If anything I say take the F-15E model, turn it into an F-15C, and call it good, F-22 and its stealth and speed plus vector ability would make it well imbalanced and hardly useful because it would cross the map in 3 seconds.

Updated by rocko about 4 years ago

  • Target version set to Model requests

Updated by rocko about 4 years ago

  • Tracker changed from Feature to Task
  • Priority changed from Normal to Low

Updated by rocko about 4 years ago

  • Category changed from Model to Model Request

Updated by alegator2222 almost 4 years ago

then let us add the T-50

Updated by Dominges almost 4 years ago

alegator2222 wrote:

then let us add the T-50

An WWII tank in ACE? I think it kind of.. out of scope? And if you talking about PAK FA, ACE is not a mod about "Let's turn ArmA 2 into H.A.W.X. with lazors".

Because PAK FA is not in service yet, there is only prototypes with classified characteristics.

Updated by Heaney555 almost 3 years ago

  • Category changed from Model Request to Integration

I was talking to nes4day, and he has said he would give 100% permission for the F-22 to be added to ACE.

Who should I get him to email with his expression of permission, proof of identity and mod files?

Let's make this happen. The ACE USAF is lacking.

Updated by wore almost 3 years ago

Nice to see. Hope this will happen at last

Updated by Heaney555 almost 3 years ago

Well we'll have to see what tge ACE team say.

I mean Russia has the Su-27 in ACE, so why not give USAF the F-22?

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

Heaney, +1 :)
Looking for good high res HD planes and blueprints of cockpits and 6 body views(top,bottom,front,rear,left,right) for both planes...
;)

Updated by ScarecrowisNOTamused. over 2 years ago

MagicStuffUser wrote:

Heaney, +1 :)
Looking for good high res HD planes and blueprints of cockpits and 6 body views(top,bottom,front,rear,left,right) for both planes...
;)

heh, good luck, try talking to
Iris simulation http://www.irissimulations.com/
or who ever owns the alphasim rights now, they're ussaly pretty happy to help.

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

  • Category changed from Integration to Model Request

And so F-22 or F-15 ?! :\

Updated by ScarecrowisNOTamused. over 2 years ago

MagicStuffUser wrote:

And so F-22 or F-15 ?! :\

I'd say the F-15E, gives you the best of both (Ground and Air attack) without having to worry about super maneuverability that will probably make people go insane with G-Forces.

Plus it fits with people doing a older scenario based mission of the gulfwar and with those doing a current day Afghanistan/Iraq mission :)

Updated by Heaney555 over 2 years ago

As I said before, the guy who ported this F-22 to Arma has given full permission for it to be added to ACE: http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13378

Updated by ScarecrowisNOTamused. over 2 years ago

Heaney555 wrote:

As I said before, the guy who ported this F-22 to Arma has given full permission for it to be added to ACE: http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13378

Not calling you a lier but, Proof? Don't want him turning up angry and demanding its removal.

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

Let's try to PM him and talk :), dont stop you self :)!

Or give me a good references of cockpit ;)

Updated by ScarecrowisNOTamused. over 2 years ago

MagicStuffUser wrote:

Let's try to PM him and talk :), dont stop you self :)!

Or give me a good references of cockpit ;)

For the F-15E? http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/3/3/0643339.jpg
Or the F-22? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N09FaMNznH4/TFNfqX8kNsI/AAAAAAAAAiI/t7a9Lj1rsUs/s1600/F22_cockpit_1267828237_3024.jpg

:P

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

Here need a users suggestions :), what plane they want to have :) ;)!
ScareCrow, please prepare MORE screens of cockpit! :) I think F22 good variant of plane, or F15 more better (in combat, CAS, bombing, etc.)?

I vote for F22 :), what other guys think?!:)

Updated by Heaney555 over 2 years ago

ScarecrowisNOTamused. wrote:

Proof? Don't want him turning up angry and demanding its removal.

I can give the ACE devs the email forwarded on request.

Here is a screenshot though (attached).

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

If F22 be added or not, we can make F15||F22 too :)!

Updated by sgtmoody1944 over 2 years ago

MagicStuffUser wrote:

Here need a users suggestions :), what plane they want to have :) ;)!
ScareCrow, please prepare MORE screens of cockpit! :) I think F22 good variant of plane, or F15 more better (in combat, CAS, bombing, etc.)?

I vote for F22 :), what other guys think?!:)

I vote F-22: nes4day has three variants of it in his great addon, and it'd be really nice if the GBUs and SDBs were integrated with ACE.

Updated by wore over 2 years ago

my vote is for F-22

Updated by Kenex05 over 2 years ago

Would be nice to see a 2-seater jet on BLUFOR, so F15E please ...

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

Kenex05 wrote:

Would be nice to see a 2-seater jet on BLUFOR, so F15E please ...

If ACE devs make gunners in SU planes playable, and for this plane too :D ;), else no sense in F15!

Updated by MagicStuffUser over 2 years ago

For F-15 you can poke :) RKSL (as reserved variant)
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=14282
F-22 wip

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