Feature #16350

Restore the ability to use the ACOG and telescopic sights with night vision

Added by ricnunes over 4 years ago. Updated over 2 years ago.

Status:Assigned Start date:12/31/2010
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Description

Since Op. Arrowhead came out it's NOT possible to use the ACOG and other telescopic sights (such as in the M24, M107, etc..) with night vision.
But the fact is that while it shouldn't be possible to look at those sights with night vision googles there are systems integrated with the ACOG and telescopic sights (installed in the frontal part of those sights) that allow the ACOG and telescopic sights to be used at night just like they are used in daylight. One of these systems is the AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight. You can see info regarding this AN/PVS-22 system here:

http://www.nightvis.com/nv_sights/ANPVS22_Universal_Night_Sight.html

here:
http://www.ownthenight.com/catalog/i31.html

and here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PVS-22

I don't know if other magnifying or telescopic sights such as the Russian PSO sight can be installed with such systems but as you can see in the links that I provided above that ACOG sights (seen in M4, M16, SCARs, etc...) and telescopic sights of weapons such as the M24, M107, etc... can be mounted with such systems, so my sugestion in order to implement this (and the sympliest way) is to restore the ability to use night vision with those sights (like it was in Armed Assault and ArmA2).

History

Updated by Imperator over 4 years ago

Unless the model specifically has one of these mounted then I don't think things should change from the way they are now.

Updated by Fireball over 4 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Assigned

It could be done the way it's currently done with the Rangefinder, which has its own switch for NV - this would give the impression that there is indeed an AN/PVS-22 installed. You could also opt for separate models with optical representation of the AN/PVS-22.

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

While I agree with both solutions (having the NV key switch to turn on and off the night vision on telescopic sights OR having separate models with optical representation of the AN/PVS-22) I would prefer the NV key switch solution since the AN/PVS-22 is a small piece of equipment that you attach or detach easily and quickly in front of the already existing ACOG/Telescopic sights - And don't forget that unfortunally ArmA doesn't support (modular) weapon attachments (if it did then the optical representation of the AN/PVS-22 as an attachment would definitly be the best solution).

Updated by Imperator over 4 years ago

Still not something I agree with. It would be like asking for weapon models that don't have M203 attached to be able to shoot grenades.

Ask for new models that have an NVG scope instead.

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

I don't think you understood my point at least completly, this (AN/PVS-22) the is not a NVG scope, the AN/PVS-22 is a small attachment to DAYLIGHT scopes which allow those scopes to be used at night (with night vision). Resuming, this is not something to attach (directly) to the weapon like the M203 grenade launcher, the AN/PVS-22 is something you attach to the sight itself.

Besides, it's clear by now that ArmA2/OA/etc... aims to simulate near future warfare and even today the alternative to attachments such as the AN/PVS-22 which are the laser pointers (simulated in OA) are already "outdated" and not used or rarelly used in real combat nowadays (since if the enemy has NV googles, the position of the soldier using the laser pointer is totally compromised).

Finally, having a model with NVG scope instead as you sugest bring a major problem -> NVG scopes can only be used at night while for example an ACOG sights with AN/PVS-22 attached can be used both at night (with the AN/PVS-22 attached) and during daylight (with the AN/PVS-22 detached) and to attach/detach the AN/PVS-22 is a very quick and easy thing to do. And with this there's an another problem -> ArmA doesn't support attach/detach equipment to the weapons!

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

You could easily script weapon attachments though.

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

Yes, I believe so but I would like this to work with stock/vanilla weapons and in ALL missions and not only a few missions (the ones that use the script).

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

So create an addon with the script instead?

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

The keyword here is "Stock" or "Vanilla".

What I mean is that this feature should come with the stock game/weapons and this feature shouldn't require any addons! Everyone including every server should have this feature and not only modded servers, games, units and/or missions!

Updated by riise over 4 years ago

I think the best solution would be the modular wapon system mentioned before. (but I fear this is too much to ask for)

Updated by Lazyman over 4 years ago

Maybe the AN/PVS-22 could be added as a miscellaneous item that, if present in the inventory, gives the player the ability to toggle NV on/off with the N key by using the script mentioned above?

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

I like your idea very much Lazyman! If I could vote on an idea to solve this "issue" I would definitly vote on your idea!

Updated by Trips over 4 years ago

How prevalent is the AN/PVS-22? What are its limitations?

Updated by dslyecxi over 4 years ago

The fact that you're calling this 2-lb monster NV device a "small attachment" is a bit misleading, don't you think?

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

dslyecxi wrote:

The fact that you're calling this 2-lb monster NV device a "small attachment" is a bit misleading, don't you think?

Just as misleading as calling it a "monster"!
But yes, calling the AN/PVS-22 a "small attachment" is a bit of an understatement but calling it a "monster" is also an overstatement.

Here are some pictures of a few weapons (includes a M4) with the AN/PVS-22:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=58144

I continue to think that Lazyman's idea is inded great and would model the space/weight that such an attachment makes in a soldier's inventory!

Updated by ricnunes over 4 years ago

Trips wrote:

How prevalent is the AN/PVS-22? What are its limitations?

Limitations: NONE apart from the extra weight that it puts in a weapon. Actually devices such as AN/PVS-22 are made to overcome the limitations of previous systems used in night combat which the most important one is/was the use of laser pointers to aim the weapon which is the system that we currently have in ArmA2 OA (the disadvantage of laser pointers is like I already said, that if the enemy has NV googles the position of the soldier using the laser pointed become imediatly compromised!). Here is some thoughts on the subject:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3101583/1/Question_about_ACOG_sights_and.html

And here (a link also provided in the link above) you can see more pictures on how it looks to see thru an ACOG and telescopic sights with the AN/PVS-22 (between many other photos):
http://weww.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&topic=179352&gonew=1

Regarding how prevalent is the AN/PVS-22: well this system is also provided to police forces as well and is also sold comercially (see the link that I provided in my last update before this one) so I'm pretty sure that systems like the AN/PVS-22 (note that this is not the only system of this type that exists - there are others which compete with this one) are WAY MORE PREVALENT in the US Forces than for example the SCAR rifle which is the "standard" weapon of the US units in ArmA2 OA!

Updated by 77 over 4 years ago

Voted +1

they haven't seen it so it doesn't exist... elitists.

Updated by Spyder001 over 4 years ago

If they want realism they will need to rework the system. You can look down your iron sights with NVGs right now. Good luck actually doing that in real life!

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