Feature #13306

Add FLIR for modern russian vehicles

Added by Crusader over 4 years ago. Updated over 4 years ago.

Status:Closed Start date:08/27/2010
Priority:Normal Due date:
Assignee:KingHomer % Done:

20%

Category:Complex
Target version:1.6
Component: Affected Version:
Close Reason:No MLODs

Description

The russian armored vehicles BMP-3 and T-90 currently have no FLIR system in ACE2.

According to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-3

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90

Both vehicles are (or at least can be) outfittet with FLIR IRL.


Related issues

related to A.C.E. for OA - Task #8622: Add more/most recent T90 Model New 01/29/2010

History

Updated by KingHomer over 4 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Rejected
  • Priority changed from Low to Normal
  • Close Reason set to No MLODs

The Russian tanks implented by BI do not represent models featuring TI.

The T-90 uses the TPN-4 BURAN (to be seen in front of the gunner hatch), which is an IR/NVG optic but no TI optic.
The Takistani T-72 is actually a mix of T-72A and T-72M, one of the oldest available T-72 models...

Same goes for the rest...

Updated by Crusader over 4 years ago

From the technical side please look at this mod:
http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=102162

I fail to see your reason to wait for some modder to invest the huge effort to put a tiny little box on the T90 and BMP3 to get this, when this is really scriptwise simple and those systems are deployed IRL.

If these small things are so important then please rename my ticket into "remove all cancelled SCARS from US army soldiers" ;) (just joking)

Hope you reconsider.

Cheers
Crusader

Updated by Xeno over 4 years ago

Provide an accurate new T90 and BMP3 model and you get TI.

Good idea about removing the SCARS.

Updated by Crusader over 4 years ago

Hi Xeno,

easier said than done, but thats exactly what I mean, I think noone is going though the hazzle of creating a whole new BMP3 and T90 (as BIS MLODs are not an option) anywhere in the near future.
And this is my point, is one smallish detail (amongst so many others in ARMA/OA) keeping you from a 2010 ruski vs. 2010 american battle?
Right now it seems ~1990 ru vs. 2020 america (scars, widespread use of F35 (which can carry ordnance, even as the VTOL version is not able to IRL) etc. pp.)

But anyhow, you're the modders so who am I to argue.

Cheers
Crusader

Updated by Lazyman over 4 years ago

I've read elsewhere about an ACE_RU module with all the various russian equipment there being planned. Can we expect to have variants with TI on them then?

Updated by KingHomer over 4 years ago

T-72B and T-72BA are not equipped with TI.

Updated by Lazyman over 4 years ago

KingHomer wrote:

T-72B and T-72BA are not equipped with TI.

Not the T72s, no, but the BMP-3M, the T90A (standard Russian Army model) and the T90M are equipped with various TI systems.
That's why I was asking about this new module I've read about. :)

Updated by q1184 over 4 years ago

ACEX_RU is just a new place for the Russian stuff we already had, it doesn't mean a new modelling effort in that direction.

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

  • Category set to Complex
  • Status changed from Rejected to Assigned
  • Assignee set to Sickboy

Q11 is absolutely right; starting new model endevours is not possible at this time.
As always, model donations/contributions are always welcome.

However we are in the process of discussing the possibility to include (for example) mentioned tanks/classes, with placeholder models, especially considering the RU side is less presented by ACE.
We take model/feature authenticity serious, but exceptions can be made for the benefit of all.

Will keep informed through this ticket.

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

  • Status changed from Assigned to In progress
  • Assignee changed from Sickboy to KingHomer
  • % Done changed from 0 to 10

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

  • % Done changed from 10 to 20

T90-A class was added with existing t90 model, 100mm extra turret armor, and TI.

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

  • Target version set to 1.6

Updated by oktane over 4 years ago

Sickboy wrote:

T90-A class was added with existing t90 model, 100mm extra turret armor, and TI.

Thank you!

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

Okay so that was the T90A, what can we do about T72/BMP3, re placeholder models mit TI :)

Updated by KingHomer over 4 years ago

  • Status changed from In progress to Closed

Nothing, they will not be added.

Updated by Crusader over 4 years ago

Not to question your decision, but why if I may ask?

Whats so wrong with giving mission makers the possibility to add modern russian equipment (minus a smallish box on top of the models, I looked it up and its really hard to spot from a distance), even if not widely employed?

This would for instance be useful for somithing like russian elite guard or the like.

If a placeholder for T90M or BMP3 with TI is doable and not too much trouble why not? I mean its up to the mission maker to include them or not.

(And remember OA plays in the future, hence SCARS and F35 with weapon loads AND VTOL (which is fantasy, the BMP3 with TI is not) in widespread use ;)

Just my 0.02€

Cheers
Crusader

@Sickboy:

Thx mate!

Updated by Sickboy over 4 years ago

It's not just a small box on a model, it's much more. A T90 doesn't have it, a T90A does, but that one doesn't have Shtora, but has a thicker turret.

We already added a T90A placeholder with TI.

Russians don't use -M models because they are for export, so is pretty useless.
There's already a ticket on SCAR replace back with M4.

Additionally; you can add anything you like, however you like it; http://ace.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Modification.

Updated by Crusader over 4 years ago

Allright, thx again.

Cheers
Crusader

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