Feature #11383

Magazines should be proxies within weapon P3Ds.

Added by CameronMcDonald almost 5 years ago. Updated about 2 years ago.

Status:Assigned Start date:06/21/2010
Priority:Normal Due date:
Assignee:- % Done:

0%

Category:Weapons
Target version:-
Affected ArmA II version: First affected ArmA II version:
Reproduced by another DH user:Yes Single / Multi Player?:
I am using some Mods:No BIForumURL:
I am using: NGUrl:
Reproducible for you:No WIKIurl:
Related to content of DLC:

Description

Also see "bug" #1926.

Weapon models since OFP have had a standard magazine modeled onto them. This works wonders when a weapon only takes one kind of magazine, but makes for a bit of silliness when weapons can take multiple magazine types (e.g. a C-mag attached to a G36 appears as a 30 round epoxy mag, or a 30 round stanag on an Australian F89 appears as a 100-round bag).

Future iterations of the ArmA 2 engine should have magazines appearing as a proxy within the weapon P3D. I imagine that points can be defined within the weapon memory LOD to define where the magazine attaches to the weapon.

It would be great to see this introduced in the future; imagine, you could even choose between an orange fibreglass or black plastic AK74 magazine! Wow! /sarcasm.

It would also be nice to see the relevant weapon performance characteristics based upon magazine (and by extension bullet fired) rather than the weapon. This would allow the simulation of different ammunition ballistics, for example, match ammo vs. standard, AP vs. HE-IT, SABOT vs. HEAT. All of these examples, if my memory serves, are currently not possible, because ballistic performance is currently defined by weapon, not ammunition (magazine).

/rant.


Related issues

related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #2411: Muzzle Velocity set by a COMBINATION of ammo/magazine AND... Assigned 06/30/2009
related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #2014: Extend weapons and magazines manipulation capabilities Assigned 06/11/2009
related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #2980: Able to treat Weapons and Magazines as Object for further... Assigned 07/23/2009
related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #3925: Reloading Animation not shown in Multiplayer on other pla... Closed 08/23/2009
related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #2422: Remember fire mode of weapons. Assigned 06/30/2009
related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #5321: RPG-7 model with optics Assigned 10/21/2009
related to ARMA3 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #6891: Realistic reload animation New 12/13/2009
related to ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #11418: Integrating magazine proxies into magazine interfaces Assigned 06/22/2010
related to ARMA3 Community Issue Tracker - Feature #6545: Bullet-in-chamber accounting New 12/06/2009
duplicated by ARMA2 Community Issue Tracker - Bug #1926: MG-36: 30 round magazines look like 100 round drum magazines Duplicate 06/08/2009 09/28/2010

History

Updated by CameronMcDonald almost 5 years ago

CameronMcDonald wrote:

...if my memory serves, are currently not possible, because ballistic performance is currently defined by weapon, not ammunition (magazine).

What I'm referring to here, for those I've just confused, are things like muzzle velocity, rather than damage.

Updated by kju almost 5 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Assigned
  • Priority changed from Low to Normal
  • Target version deleted (NextGen)

Updated by mr.g-c almost 5 years ago

Nice one!
Like one clearly can see with the related tickets, the whole weapon handling in the engine, based still from OFP1, is absolutely antiquated and needs strongly a overhaul.
I hope this is a field BIS will look into, before they brought out the last Product of the series....

Here is my 2008 Suggestion from BI-Forums: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=70456

Updated by kju over 4 years ago

  • Affected ArmA II version changed from 1.06 BETA to Please select...
  • Size of OS swap file set to Please specify!

Updated by CameronMcDonald over 4 years ago

Well, Operation Arrowhead is still affected by this problem, and I have my page file disabled. Is there some way I can change those parameters? I can only change the target version, assignment and % done.

Updated by kju over 4 years ago

  • Affected ArmA II version deleted (Please select...)

Version does not matter for features.
It is always assumed valid for the latest if not resolved/closed.

Updated by BigDawgKS over 4 years ago

I just want to add that this feature, if implemented, could be used as much better alternative to the still very limited modelSpecial command, and with the addition of fixing/adding animation controllers on launcher weapons (isEmpty in this case, see #12244), could allow more variety in RPG-7 like weapons (ex: any combination of launhcer and warhead model).

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